DF64P vs Turin DF83 V2 (Gen 2)
Same class, different tax brackets.
The DF83 V2 (Gen 2) runs ~49% more (listed in different currencies) — the split below is what the gap buys.
DF64
Strong consensusCA$495–550 · US$350–480
This is the DF64 formula narrowed to a single job: espresso. The bottom-mounted adjustment collar and shorter espresso-focused range buy you finer resolution where it counts, but you give up…
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Turin
Strong consensusUS$499–649
The DF83 V2 delivers genuine end-game grind quality at a price that has no real competition in the 83mm flat-burr tier — the stock Red Ti burrs are capable, and the SSP upgrade path is well-…
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Where they actually differ
On 6 of 7 measures these two tie. The single row below is the entire argument.
DF64P
DF83 V2 (Gen 2)
Brew range
DF83 V2 (Gen 2) leads, decisively
The price
DF64P costs less, decisively
CA$495–550· US$499–649
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Their burrs share a character — this choice will not change the shape of your cup.
The counter’s vote
Looks barely figure in either machine’s record — the counter can sit this one out.
DF64P: Industrial cylinder form, no aesthetic awards, but the minimalist stainless steel housing has gained quiet kitchen-counter acceptance among the espresso crowd; polarizes non-enthusiasts.
Only the DF64P: a documented burr-swap scene.
Where they tie: espresso duty · retention · reliability record · built to last · value per dollar — don’t let a spec sheet invent a difference.
On the counter
The size difference, to scale
So — which one?
Take the DF64P if —
- The difference stays in your pocket — or goes into beans
- You want a chassis that grows
Take the DF83 V2 (Gen 2) if —
- You brew more ways than one
The measured differences here are small; the price gap is not. Take the DF64P and put the difference into fresh, roast-dated beans — they move the cup more than this split will.
Known weak points
DF64P
Motor noise complaints in early batches; occasional bean-hopper fitment inconsistency; no widespread premature bearing failures documented.
For the row-by-row readers
The whole sheet, side by side
Matching rows fade back — the ink is where they differ.
DF64P
DF83 V2 (Gen 2)
Class
Single dose
Single dose
Burrs
64mm flat
flat
Drive
Electric
Electric
Adjustment
Stepless
—
Clarity lean
Clarity & sparkle
Clarity & sparkle
Espresso suitability
4.5/5
4/5
Brew versatility
1.5/5
4/5
Retention
~0.1 g
~0.1 g
Single dosing
Yes
Yes
Hopper
80 g
225 g
Burr-swap scene
Documented
—
Workflow demand
3/5
3/5
Maintenance
1.5/5
2/5
Noise
3.5/5
3/5
Build longevity
3.5/5
4/5
Dimensions
12 × 18.5 × 34 cm
15.3 × 25.2 × 36.5 cm
One owner each
“What the DF83 V2 has to offer in terms of performance, build quality, particle distribution, and espresso quality is truly excellent.”
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