Turin DF64 Gen 2 vs Lelit Fred Tempo (PL044MMT)

Same class, different tax brackets.

About CA$104 apart — the split below is what the gap buys.

Turin DF64 Gen 2

Turin

Strong consensus
DF64 Gen 2

US$359–420 · CA$465–500

The DF64 Gen 2 is a competently built, single-dose flat-burr grinder that delivers flat-burr clarity and dial-in consistency well above its price bracket. The trade-off is a purely manual, b…

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Lelit Fred Tempo (PL044MMT)

Lelit

Strong consensus
Fred Tempo (PL044MMT)

CA$359–399 · US$259–329

Fred Tempo is what you buy when you want real stepless espresso adjustment under a real espresso machine without spending grinder money that rivals the machine itself. Accept that the 38mm b…

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The split

Where they actually differ

On 3 of 6 measures these two tie. The 3 rows below are the entire argument.

DF64 Gen 2

Fred Tempo (PL044MMT)

Built to last

DF64 Gen 2 leads, clearly

The price

Fred Tempo (PL044MMT) costs less, clearly

CA$465–500· CA$359–399

Espresso duty

DF64 Gen 2 leads, clearly

Brew range

DF64 Gen 2 leads, clearly

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Syrup & bodyClarity & sparkle

The DF64 Gen 2 leans clarity and sparkle; the Fred Tempo (PL044MMT) leans syrup and body. Pick the cup, not the machine.

The counter’s vote

Looks barely figure in either machine’s record — the counter can sit this one out.

DF64 Gen 2: Appliance-neutral industrial aesthetic; no award citations or kitchen-approval talk in the record — purchased for function and value, not visual appeal.

Fred Tempo (PL044MMT): Stainless steel body pairs naturally with Lelit Anna; plastic hopper criticized but accepted as trade-off for price.

Only the DF64 Gen 2: a single-dose workflow.

Where they tie: reliability record · value per dollar · quiet operation — don’t let a spec sheet invent a difference.

On the counter

The size difference, to scale

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DF64 Gen 2 claims 13 × 22.5 cm of a standard 60 cm counter and stands 30 cm tall 15 cm to spare under standard 45 cm uppers. Fred Tempo (PL044MMT) stands beside it, dashed, for size. The small block is a mug; the counter grid is 10 cm.

So — which one?

Take the DF64 Gen 2 if —

  • Bright, separated cups are the goal
  • You are buying once
  • Espresso is the job, full stop
  • You brew more ways than one

Take the Fred Tempo (PL044MMT) if —

  • Syrupy, traditional cups are the goal
  • The difference stays in your pocket — or goes into beans

The DF64 Gen 2 at ~27% more buys real things: built to last and espresso duty. If those aren't your mornings, the Fred Tempo (PL044MMT) does the job and keeps the difference in your pocket.

Known weak points

DF64 Gen 2

Flat burr wear over time (inherent to flat burrs, not specific failure); occasional motor/noise complaints in early units (gen 1 more prevalent); no widespread catastrophic failures documented, but sub-$500 flat burr longevity is inherently lower than conical or significantly more expensive…

For the row-by-row readers

The whole sheet, side by side

Matching rows fade back — the ink is where they differ.

DF64 Gen 2

Fred Tempo (PL044MMT)

Class

Single dose

Entry espresso-capable

Burrs

flat

38mm conical

Drive

Electric

Electric

Clarity lean

Clarity & sparkle

Syrup & body

Espresso suitability

4/5

3/5

Brew versatility

3.5/5

2.5/5

Retention

~0.2 g

Single dosing

Yes

No

Hopper

50 g

250 g

Workflow demand

4/5

2.5/5

Maintenance

2/5

2/5

Noise

3/5

3/5

Build longevity

3.5/5

2/5

Dimensions

13 × 22.5 × 30 cm

14 × 22 × 34 cm

Adjustment

Stepless

One owner each

So far I'm liking my new DF64 Gen 2. It's my first grinder. I'm very excited about it!
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